Professional Careers in the World of Agriculture

February 15, 2021

Video Transcript

I think I'm going to go ahead and get it started then. So good evening and welcome to the Michigan AG Ideas Grow With virtual conference. Please note this session is being recorded. Should you choose to leave your video on, be aware that it may appear in the recording. Recordings for all sessions will be posted a few weeks after the conference. We ask that you please remain muted throughout the presentation. But if you have questions, feel free to put those in the chat and we'll definitely address those too. So my name is Katie and I am a Program Coordinator with the Institute of Agricultural Technology. It is my pleasure to welcome you to this session, Connecting Careers and Education in Agriculture. Today you'll also hear from my two colleagues, Angie King and Stacey Rocklin. Before we get started, we'd like to take a quick moment to thank our sponsors who are shown on the screen. Due to their generous support we are able to offer this event at no charge to participants. Their generous support is also allowing us to provide a college scholarship opportunity. More information can be found at the link on the screen and will be emailed out to all of our conference attendees. And as we get started, we have a short video that we'd like to share with you. I'm getting there. I really am having trouble finding it. Let me bring it back up in a different way, folks. And again, the technical problems are my fault. Stacy there isn't any sound to it. This kind of reproduction can make a small problem, very large, very quickly. Let's imagine we have five bacteria that reproduce every 15 minutes. After 30 minutes, the colony of bacteria would be 20 bacteria large. After one hour, there would be 80 bacteria. Another half-hour would grow the population to 320 bacteria. After a total of two hours, 1,280 bacteria would have formed. You can see how fast a problem can grow in the right circumstances. It's also important to remember that there are things you can do to slow this growth down. Bacteria grow best when they have their FATTOM around. FATTOM stands for food, acidity, time, temperature, oxygen and moisture. Making these things unfavorable to bacteria will decrease the growth. The more of these you can make unfavorable to growth, the better your chances of producing safe fruits and vegetables. So we're going to go back to our presentation. And get started with that. And I think Angie takes it from here right? Mhm. Angie you're muted. Hi, I'm Angie King and sorry for the technical difficulties. I'm from Baroque in St. Joe County and I am the coordinator MSU IT Coordinator at an Glen Oaks Community College. A little bit of my agriculture background is our family farms over here in this county. We have about 9 thousand acres of crop. It would be regular corn, seed corn, and soybeans. So looking forward to tonight and talking about what we do, it'll be a lot of fun. Hey, alright, I see you're from Bronson. My name is Katie Frasier and I'm the Program Coordinator at Kellogg Community College. I'm from Coolwater in Bridge County. So my background is my husband and I farm corn in commercial corn and soybeans. And then I also have a bachelor's degree in crop science and I'm working on that master's in agronomy as well. And I'm Stacey Rocklin I am the Program Coordinator at Southwestern Michigan College. And my agriculture background is mostly in greenhouses and horticulture. And I think I have the next slide. So the way we're going to break the silence is we're going to talk about entering careers in agriculture from three different ways. So I'm going to take the first one we're going to talk about going into Ag with your high school diploma. And this is a valuable entry into the workforce, especially if you've had agro science classes and your background, if you've been in FFA number. So these are some of the roles that you could step into. Most of the time, you're going to have to work your way into more of a supervisory role. So the positions you're going to start with with your high school diploma are not going to be a professional roles in agriculture. There's still very necessary and we need folks in these careers. The pay scale is going to be lower. So that's going to be one of our disadvantages. There are lots of advantages to starting this way though. You're not going to have college debt. You're going to start earning right away. You don't have to wait and delay and have that. There's also lots of training available on the job. So for those maybe like me who get a little bit too restless and it's hard to sit in the classroom. This is a really valuable entry to the workforce. Now on the flip side, some of the other disadvantages, you're going to find fewer opportunities for advancement. And that can be a problem. But you also have to remember that as you go along in your career, if you want to enter post-secondary education later, that option is always there. Without higher education, you can also lack some of that scientific background that you need to understand some of the changes going on throughout your career in many different ways. And then that lack of credentials can limit your mobility. I'm going to hand it over to Katie. Awesome. Thank you, Stacey. So I'm here to talk about a career avenue that I don't think is always brought to people's attention and that's seeking a two-year college degree. And go to the next slide. So there's two-year college degrees. And in our case, we are working with the Institute of Agricultural Technology. So our students get a chance to get a certificate option. But we're also talking about even an associate's degree from a community college as well. And you can see some of those career opportunities right there on the screen. So assistant grower, orchard manager, a farm production supervisory role, looking at a crop scouting fertilizer, pesticide applicator, or a person who makes the recommendations also getting into sales at this point. So one of the things about the two-year college opportunities that it allows you to kind of start at not just the general labor role, but the next step up, looking at more supervisor opportunities. And then the other perk about having in your taking the time and investing the money is that this is when we are seeing with our students that companies are starting to offer you as an employee a little bit more perks. So that's when you might start getting the company vehicle to take home. You get those clothing allowances, health benefits. Sometimes you're paying for the cell phone providing iPads, laptops. And so that by being a little bit into the supervisor role, can give a little bit more perks on the job. So some advantages besides perks on the job, which kind of payout is that you have the opportunity to come into the workforce earning a little bit more than you would with just your high school diploma. And you can also start benefits at the start of your career point. There's also the opportunity to advance. So if you are finding like, I don't like just being where I'm at, I'd like to move up, having that degree sometimes a lot of businesses are requiring that and it's been interesting to see. However, there are some disadvantages. Obviously, we're talking paying for college. So some students have college loan debt and its often around $10 thousand or less. And we'll talk about that a little bit more about with community colleges as well. But you may enjoy sitting in a classroom and learning and getting lectured at, and that is an okay thing. Definitely have to appreciate sitting into class and taking the time. Semesters are 15 weeks long. And sometimes they're finding that some of our students start off in the classroom and going for the certificate and then they're just not successful. Whether that's a job or a farm or family is kind of saying, Hey, we need your help over here. Or they just get frustrated, especially like with this past semester with everything going to an online platform. So those are some advantages and disadvantages of having that two-year college degree. I'm going to turn it over to Angie right now for the bachelor's degree programs. Yeah. I'm so excited. One of my favorite things is education. It just really is and I, I love the idea of any education. Associates, your 4-year, your master's, your PhD. There's just so many opportunities in Ag, in every single level of education that's there. There are, obviously, as Stacey said there's definitely jobs straight out of high school without the education. But the amount of jobs and the capacity that you can serve in the agricultural realm just grows as you move through your education and get that training. As you can see here on the slide, there are, there's a lot of opportunities. You become more of a supervisor. Then maybe the worker, maybe. So if you look on the first one, a farm production supervisor, grower or management. So by getting your four-year degree, very often you've been trained in more of a specific area and so you can develop that area and walk in with more management style of learning. So you know, maybe you have studied agribusiness once or twice. Well, by the time you're done with your four year, you're very good at it, you know what you're doing and that's what employers are looking for. And so you come in a little higher, if you will. Again, that's maybe than other rung up the ladder in agriculture. You can be if you look at the second seed, grain supplies and feed sale, I mean, there's just a lot in one spot. A very good and valid degree, degree holding positions, if you will. So a quick example. I always love to tell this example. I have a little friend, I have a 22-year-old son, and so one of his friends graduated with a four-year degree in animal science. And he hired in with a very reputable seed or excuse me, feed company. And he travels all over the United States in sells feed. And he makes a very good wage. He runs his own essential business under him at and that's fresh out of college. He's 22. And so that's really opened up the opportunities for him. The other, I kind of left marketing and analysts separate because those are huge in agriculture. But take training, they simply do you have to put the time in in order to be knowledgeable in those fields. And so agriculture relies on them. And so it's just something to think about when you're looking at what you want to do and how far you want to take your education. A sweet spot for me, obviously is policy. As we move further down, I love policy. You always, always want to be on top that as an agricultural worker, no matter where you're at, you can be in the greenhouse. You can be on the farm production. You can be an animal world. Feed sales. Whatever regulations you have to follow, you need to be on top of that. And a four-year education and policies is huge because we need those farm kids that come out onto like that into the capital, onto the floor and know the farm, but know the policies and can put the two together. And so that's just a huge thing. Communications, another field that just burst out for four years. There was a time when I was in school, communications was considered a wasted degree. Now we all communicate. We do it online, we're digital. This is the digital age. And so communications is huge. Consultant, regulatory roles. All of that comes with a four-year degree. Farm government supply third-party auditing. Auditing would come into your taxes, making sure you're meeting all the standards, anything that has to do with the fiscal part of it. That's where auditing comes into and that's really important too, but the training is essential. You can't just walk in and be an auditor. You have to have the training do that. And agriculture is in dire need of that. The opportunity to start in a professional role. Again, like Katie said, sometimes you start with a vehicle or a clothing allowance or health benefits at the two-year, and that only expands as you move to the four-year, though you're like, okay, well, where does that come into things that offsets so many costs? So if your health insurance is covered, your clothing is covered, that's less you have to spend out-of-pocket. Four-year college degrees and career opportunities. Obviously, there are advantages huge that we've talked about. You begin higher, you're less likely to lose your job in low economy times, like now, you know where they are slicing off some of the lower end. You're not going to be one of them because you have the education that they need. And really there's more versatility in the workforce because of your training. And quite often they want to know what classes you've taken, want to know where your expertise is. The disadvantages. Of course, always money, money, money. It just is a college debt can total 50 thousand or more. It really can. And so that's something to be taken into account as you look at it. You have to sit in a classroom like Katie said, sometimes people are like I can't do the classroom. If you're getting a two-year and you're going to four year, you're going to be in for another two years. That means classes. That means 15 week classes, that means three or four of them every semester. And so if you're a person that wants that or drives toward that or wants to be at that level, you may have to make that sacrifice to get to that point. Again, a delayed entry into the workforce is huge. You know while your friends are out making a paycheck, you're not, you know, you're essentially paying. And so there's a lot of feeling of loss like I could be doing this different. And yet, just remember with that disadvantage. You're coming in at a higher pay rate. And so obviously if you do the math, you're probably going to find it comes out in the wash. But it's something to think about. And then increased specialization could limit opportunity. That's kind of the flip side of the more versatile. If you get to pigeonholed in one area, maybe you're not as useful to the employers as. But that's, that's really not a big case. I don't think in agriculture because there's a lot of flexibility and use of what you know and a lot of training in what they know you're willing to learn. I think Stacey is going to talk to us a little bit about entrepreneurship as we move forward. Stacey, you're muted. I thought I did that already. I'm sorry. Okay. Good. I'll start over because it was a terrible start. We really need folks in agriculture to come in and not just fill positions that are already open and honestly unfilled quite a bit because we don't have enough folks coming into agriculture. But we also need people to be creative and start new ventures and keep everything fresh in moving forward. So the way this can really work well is if you're going into your education already, you know you want to study agriculture. Adding on in your two-year degree, a certificate that would help you with entrepreneurship is a great idea. Whatever is available in the college that you choose, look for add-ons that will help you get where you want to go. It could be an elective class, it could be an entire circuit. It could be a second major. It just depends on the path you're on. So ask your advisors along the way how to get where you want to go into each one. And I'm going to hand it off to Katie now. Yeah. Did the computer catch up? It did. Thank you. So I have the task of the of talking about financial aid and college, which some people are like, Oh my God, that's the worst topic there is. So I'm here to kinda ease, ease the discomfort of a little bit. I'm going to start off by saying Stacy, Angie, and I are not experts in financial aid, but hopefully if you have questions, we can help point you in the right direction or at least give you someone to talk to. If we can't answer your question. I just had tidbits of advice throughout this. And the first one is if you are a current high-school student, my best advice is as you are looking into colleges for, for the future is to look for, talk to your high school counselor. They are going to be the ones who are going to help you so much, especially if you have questions regarding your FASFA. We all know that is the form that the federal government uses to determine how much aid that you get. And so that starts October 1 of every single year. So it is open now if you want to look into it for the next academic year. In academic years are a little weird. So that would be fall 2021 to spring 2022 and summer 2022. So it's like holy future thinking when you're looking at it. My other biggest advice is fill out forms on time. Sometimes you fill out your FASFA, you submit it to a school. You might hear back from the school saying, Hey, we need you to do a little bit more documentation for us, fill those out and ask questions, especially if you, if you're not a current high-school student. You are looking into going to a community college or to a bachelor's degree, find someone that you can talk to at that college about financial aid. And hopefully they can help guide you through your filling out forms if that is necessary. And my last piece of advice, I, I try to tell this so much to my students as well. Check your email often to stay informed. We've gone to a really deep digital age and everything communicated via your e-mail includes like you're FASFA status when you're filling that out. So I would recommend like even if you are say like I'm at Kellogg Community College, I tell my students, if you are not going to make a habit of checking that email or you are going to check whether that's your Gmail or your outlook. Find an email account that works the best for you. Awesome. Is there I should probably pause and say Is there any question so far? Awesome. Thank you, Kristy. Okay. And I'm going to turn it over to Angie who loves talking about scholarships. I love talking about scholarships, Katie is so right. I just, I love it. There is guys, there's so much money out there for you to tap into. It. Take some time, it takes some effort. But it is really, really, really big and it pays off in dividends that you have no idea. So if you're in your senior year, all of these scholarships that are coming up through your schools, they're coming right now. And they're due by the end of this month or next month that it's just the scholarship. The way it goes for seniors, they're usually due done by the end of March. Get into your guidance counselors, go in and ask about what's available for the school you're considering. So if your considering KCC or Southwestern or Glen Oaks, then go to that specific website and just start looking because there's a little tab usually on every single one of those pages that says scholarships apply. Even if you don't know for sure you're going go ahead and apply because sometimes it comes down to the money for us. Can we go, well, if we get $1000 scholarship, yeah, we have a better shot. on going. And so go to those. But you also have the Michigan State site if you end up going through the IAT. So go to that as well. If you're going to go into an ag degree or you're going to do one of these other majors that come through these specific colleges you have to colleges that you can go to scholarships for. The other way is to simply go for the internet searches, go in and look. Okay, I wanted to be a food processing major. What's available for me? I want to be in agribusiness. What's available? Michigan agribusiness. They have a scholarship, Michigan Corn has a scholarship, series solution has a scholarship. These are all available to every student to apply for. Does that mean you get them? Not necessarily. Put your name in there, throw it into every pool. Because it doesn't mean you're not going to get them either. There are major pages. Sometimes you can get lost in the loophole on those. So make sure that you, when you're going to a big school, like if you go to Michigan State, sometimes it's easier to connect with the coordinator. And three of us are sitting here, and we will have our information at the end to find out those scholarships. Sometimes you can get really caught up in that loophole. So look, may see what you got right down, what you got and bring it back to somebody that knows what to do with it. Community colleges give huge amounts of scholarships. I know the end branch County, there's a Gold Key Scholarship that'll take care of a large portion of a student's education on the on their community college side and that would leave them that Glenn oxide or that MSU side, excuse me. That's just huge to get partial part of your tuition covered. It's doable and I encourage you all to look, ask questions, get right out there. And the big thing, if you're a senior is get in with your guidance counselor, they know where they are or they'll find them for you. And that goes to Stacey. Thank you Angie. So we also made a list of skills that we know you'll need and your journey into a career in agriculture. Some of these skills are pretty common for most everybody who needs to be in the workforce. But having an understanding of the skills within agriculture, whether you're going into working with soils, working with plants, working with animals. I try to tell my students that it all starts with the soil. It really kinda does do matter what you're doing. And then just the ability to go out into the field, so to say. And notice what's going on with the crops and notice changes in animals, so that you are growing a crop, whether it's plant or animals, to the best healthy you can. It take some subtle eye for detail to be able to do that. Paying attention to your environment is key. It's kind of why in agriculture we always talk about the weather. It's really important to us. But also this set of skills that we all learned in our first jobs. No matter when we have that first job, punctuality, responsibility, and now presentation and technical skills that I am not really showing very well today. But these are the things that young people will need to carry into the agricultural workforce of the future. And I'm going to hand it back over Katie. Sorry, I was trying to get back to Grace's question in the chat. Grace, I found a really quick thing from MSU financial aid for the transfer scholarship that if your patient with me and maybe at the end of the presentation, I can find you the exact link. If you're choosing to do a career in agriculture with Michigan State, there's a really specific link. I just gotta find it. So be patient with me. I promise I'll get to it. So I wanted to talk about our program at Kellogg Community College. So we have a couple different majors of what students can kinda focus on. So the first one is agricultural operations. The cool part is you'll find that in every single one of our programs. And that is that more of a plant science program. It goes into a little bit of agribusiness. It also, you could do some animal science electives if you wanted. So those are the two different or that's the first one. Our second option for a major at KCC is food processing technology and safety. So this is a brand new certificate option and we're one of four locations in the state. And food processing is really just about taking that raw product, so milk and turning it into my favorite product of ice cream. And kind of the science that goes behind it. So deal with pH and temperature changes, but also dealing with the equipment of what you're using as you're actually processing food. I want to jumped down into KCC center. So we are a little unique in that we have a main campus in Battle Creek, Michigan. We have centers around on Barry Branch in Calhoun county. So a lot of my students like we come together to take our MSU classes in Battle Creek, but maybe they live in Homer. So they decide to take classes that are EAC facility in Albion. So a couple more things that are, are cool. We have some really awesome hands-on field trips. You can see from that top picture, students are taken in precision agriculture class. So they had to go see a planter system and take pictures of the entire system. We play with the monitor. So we took him to the John Deer dealership to go do that. Some opportunities I think that not only apply to KCC, but to all of our programs in general, is that there are some amazing leadership opportunities. Once you enter into the post-secondary world, you can become part of social clubs. We have our Ag Club and we're connected with Michigan Farm Bureau that provides you the opportunity to Soviet leadership training on a state level to do different competitions that farm bureau don't farmers already do. And so also, kinda train yourself and give yourself some opportunities for just making yourself a better individual. And so you can go to the various conferences on leadership trainings as well. I think another thing that makes our program stand out is by staying at a two year program, staying local, you still can continue to do your 4-H projects. So I have a young lady, She's go into the thumb this summer to do her internship, but she's still going to be able to show her stears at the Hillsborough County Fair. And then also maybe you're not at the age where you're doing there, but maybe you work a job and you have a family. The awesome advantages that you can still take classes, whether full-time or part-time, and have your job and be able to live and be around your family as well. All of our students are required to do internships. So basically, and it has to be a paid internship. I forgot to mention that last night. So that you're getting paid to get experience of what you want to do and get your hands dirty and figure out if that was something that you really enjoyed and you'd like to go into or go, Wow, thanks for that opportunity, but I never wanna do that again in my life. So some things with our costs is that when you're at a community college, you either have an in district or out of district rate. And you can talk to one of us about how that kinda looks for our different programs. But they're also, like at KCC some amazing scholarships. So we have the Gold Key Scholarship and the board of trustees. And those are basically to get you two free years of community college credits, but they're also allowing some of that money to go towards the MSU classes. So that's a cool opportunity. And then there's just some other scholarships through our community foundation, through the Kellogg Foundation that's KCC. So we have lots, I have lots of pictures here. I'm totally biased. My students are awesome. And I think these other two ladies will agree. I'm on their students as well. But I think I am tuning it over to Angie now to talk about Glen Oaks. Yes, I even remembered to unmute myself this time, I'm so excited. I kept reminding myself that I'm on mute. Glen Oaks Partnership Program has its own unique things as well. A lot of what Katie says follows through. We have Ag operations. We have the Ag Club, we have those kind of things that come into our experienced. But we also, if you look on the slide, one of the things that makes us unique is we actually have a working farm. And so many, if not all of our ag students work on the farm. They work on the machinery they plant, they harvest, they chisel, they go out and look for bugs. I mean, it's it's right there. It's a 180 acres and it's a legacy farm. And it has that, I think recently they've put in some irrigation. And so they work on pivots, they work on the box, the pivot box and all of those things that some if you're going to be a well-rounded farm employee, walking onto the farm and knowing these things, it is a good thing. Those are, those are great skills to have. Another thing that makes us unique. And Stacey will say this for her program as well, is we have on-site or on-campus housing. And so if you look on the slide, we have our own housing and that we can house up to 100 students. And the neat thing about the housing on our area is that it's going to give you a cheaper option to maybe move away to explore different avenues, but be able to afford that option. And so the housing, it does have a cost to it, but it is nowhere near as high as going straight into a four-year university. It's a very rural, obviously we're surrounded by a farm, which is a land lab. So it's a very rural area and fields on every side that I can think of except one, there's a golf course out there, but it's just a very agriculture setting and definitely lends itself to an Ag operations. Another thing that we, I'm going to skip down to two pathways on what was re-written into our programming was, there are some students who say, Okay, I'm going to start at the community college level and I want to go to the four-year. And if you know that you want to go to the four-year, we have a specific degree that gets you in a science like associates in science, as well as your certificate. And then it hits all the MTA, which would be Michigan transfer agreement requirements. And you can transfer into Michigan State or a different school. And it makes it sometimes seamless if, if you, if we do it right, it can be a seamless process. The other pathway is if you know for sure that you are going to just do a two-year, then there is an applied science degree. And so you get your applied science two-year. And then you go and you get your certificate, your ag operation certificate. But then you maybe have a little more flexibility when it comes to what you're going to take outside of your required classes, you can pick and choose a little more because you're not looking to get into the four-year university. And so there's just a couple of options that Glen Oaks has. It's a nice program. We have great kids. They have a great ag club. They're really motivated. And so as we move forward, I'm fairly new. And so as we move forward, I'm really excited for what this college has to bring. Stacey. Awesome. Thank you. Angie and Katie. At SMC, we have a lot of the same things that Glen Oaks and KCC have. And one of the things that I notice neither of these ladies mentioned, that is a huge perk to our programs And AgTech is that we have these coordinators at each site who are very much hands-on. We have small groups of students, so we are out there, we're the face of our programs. We help recruit students. We advise students, we teach some of these classes and programs. We help students go on their internship placements, and then we also help you find your first and sometimes your second and third jobs. We provide references. We're often that person that, I really I don't want to say holds your hand but is there for you whenever you need us. So a lot of programs and colleges don't have this. You're just kind of thrown in and you have to find your way. And that's fine for a lot of students. But we find that especially first-generation students whose families haven't been to college, or they need a little bit of extra help navigating what is higher education. And we're there were like an advisor plus I would say as the coordinator. So at SMC, some of the things that make us different from the other sites that we have around the state. We do have a greenhouse. We have honeybee hives that students can work on. And I'm not sure if Katie and Angie do this too but what we do like an internship clinic in the spring where we get students out and we get them on tractors, we get them on a forklift. We get them trained to back a trailer at the college. And then we also get them on the really big case tractors. And I'm sorry, we don't usually use the John Deere. Maybe we'll get there. But Just so many things about all the programs at the two year. If you don't like Angie said, you can take it to the four-year if that's what you want to do. But you also have the opportunity to stay at home for an extra couple of years, maybe finish out your forage projects. Do fairs with that last year to do that. Yeah. So these are all of the fun things that when you're thinking about where you can go to college, thinking about how it fits your lifestyle is really one of the most important factors in choosing a college. At this point, we're just going to take some questions. I do want to mention that admissions to our programs are based on two different institutions. So the colleges pretty much have an open application. You just have to apply into kind of a formality. On the MSU side, we're looking for students that have a minimum of a 2.0 GPA in high school. If you've had some college, if your GPA is not a 2.0, what we'll often do is we'll admit you, but we'll do it provisionally. And then that means you have to meet with your coordinator every other week through that first semester so that we can help you get on your feet and be successful. And with that, I know there have been questions coming in, so I'm going to let Katie and Angie take the lead. I think a lot of the questions had to do with more of scholarships. And one of the going back to our scholarships is if you're going in to MSU and you've already been, which we have a student here who's already been in the Institute of Technology making sure that you are, that you are on the track to being changed from an associates to an undergrad, checking in with your coordinator and making sure that happens, and then checking in with your coordinator for available scholarships because even though you're transferring in maybe a two or three-year level, there are 4-H scholarships, FFA scholarships, all these things that you could be eligible for. But again, they're being awarded now. The deadlines are usually the middle to the end of March. So that's the questions that I saw coming in. I would encourage anybody that has a question, any anything to go ahead and put that in the chat or to unmute and and go ahead and ask that question. I'm also going to suggest like when it comes to scholarships, depending on your county as well. Some county Farm Bureau says scholarships if you are a farm bureau member, so make sure you check those out as well. If you have questions, here's our contact information. So if you have questions, please feel free to email us as well. One thing on that farm bureau can be confusing to students is maybe they don't have a membership, but their parents do. They're very eligible. You are under your parents membership until you're 21. And so keep that in mind. I know St. Johns County has a scholarship and it would take a substantial bite out of some of your tuition. And it comes down to, you don't get your own membership unless you're a collegiate member or until you are 21. That's a really good point. And I have been trying to get that survey link into the chat for everyone to use. And I keep messing things up and our time is just about up. So I'm going to stop sharing now. That's okay. Did you get the link? Okay. I'm going to stop sharing and then we can have a nice conversation. And actually, Angie, would you read the closing script and then we'll stop the recording. Absolutely. Actually. Could you read that closing script for me, Stacey? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Angie and Katie. Just reminder if you have a last-minute question, please feel free to add it to the chat or unmute at this point and ask your question. It looks like we let's see. Oh, yeah. I'm skipping around. I'm sorry. So we just want to thank you for all of your time. As we wrap up this session, I want to remind everyone again to complete the session survey and it should be in the chat. Now, we look forward to seeing you at the next session. This concludes this session. Thank you everyone and enjoy the rest of your evening.